Then:
"MOUSSELINE" (1946),
"LA ROSE" (1949)
"MOUSTACHE"(1949)
"MADAME ROCHAS" (1960, original formula)
"MONSIEUR ROCHAS" (1969)
"EAU de ROCHAS" (1970)
"AUDACE" (1973, new formula)
"MYSTERE" (1978)
"MACASSAR" (1980)
"LUMIERE" (1984, original formula)
"BYZANCE" (1987)
"MADAME ROCHAS" (1989, new formula)
"FEMME" (1989, new formula)
"GLOBE" (1990)
"EAU de ROCHAS pour HOMME" (1993)
"TOCADE" (1994, original formula)
"BYZANTINE" (1995)
"FLEUR D'EAU" (1996)
"TOCADILLY" (1997)
"ALCHIMIE" (1998)
"ROCHAS MAN" (1999)
"LUMIERE" (2000, new formula)
"AQUAMAN" (2001)
"ABSOLU" (2002)
"AQUAWOMAN" (2002)
"LUI" (2003)
"POUPEE" (2004)
"REFLETS D'EAU" (2005)
"DESIR de ROCHAS" (2007)
"SOLEIL de ROCHAS" (2008)
"EAU SENSUELLE" (2009)
"EAU FRAICHE" (2010)
"FEMME" (2013, third formula)
"MADAME ROCHAS" (2013, third formula)
"TOCADE" (2013, new formula)
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ROCHAS PERFUMES
First of all, remember the "generic clues":
Since 1979: EMB code on the box of all french perfumes
Since 1990: Barcode on the box
Since 1992: GreenDot on the box
Since 2005: "long list of ingredients" on the box of all european perfumes.
Then, keep in mind the Address on the box:
before 2007: "33, Rue Francois 1er, Paris"
after 2007: "17 Rue de Miromesnil, Paris"
And now the Batch Codes:
1980-1994:
3 digits batch code (last number indicates "the year")
1995-2005:
4 (or more) digits: first two numbers indicates the production facility (01,02,03,04,05);
the second-to-last number indicates the month;
and the last number indicates the year)
IMPORTANT: the second-to-last number indicates the month, so you find 1= January, 2= February 3=March, etc ..... and 9 = September and finally 0 = October.
Then letters "N" for November and "D" for December.
Example: "0123" = 01 is "facility code", 2 is "February", 3 is "year 2003".
Example: "0598" = 05 is "facility code", 9 is "September", 8 is "year 1998"
Example: "0300" = 03 is facility code, 0 is "October", 0 is "Year 2000"
Example: "01N3" = 01 is facility code, N is "November", 3 is "Year 2003"
Example: "02D1" = 02 is facility code, D is "December", 1 is "year 2001"
(Please note a few numbers and letters could occur at the start/end of the batch code: you should able to "detect" the importnt digits, discarding the useless ones)
since 2006 :
classic 4-digits "Procter&Gamble" batch code (first number indicates the year, following three are the day of the year: 000 to 365)
Example: 7001 = 2007, January 1st.
Example: 9365 = 2009, December 31st.
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| Monsieur Rochas upper box without EMB code ( before 1979 ) lower box with EMB code ( after 1979 ) |
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| from Ebay, "Femme" with EMB code (= after 1980), and without barcode (= before 1990) batch 054 : last digit indicates the year, so = year 1984 |
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| Byzance, launched in 1987 with EMB code (=after 1980), without barcode (= before 1990) batch 529 = year 1989 |
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| Globe (launched in 1991) batch 151 = year 1991 |
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| Byzance (with Barcode on the box) batch 183 = year 1993 |
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| Tocade, launched in 1994 with Barcode and Greendot batch 404 = year 1994 |
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| (from Ebay) Byzantine, launched in 1995 batch 0105 = October 1995 |
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| Eau de Rochas pour Homme, batch 01N6 = November 1996 |
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| (from Ebay) Fleurs d'Eau batch 01D8 = December 1998 |
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| Moustache, batch 0299 = September 1999 |
ATTENTION HERE !!
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| (from Ebay) Lumiere batch 0240 O = year 2000 (the last letter is an additional "O", not the number "zero") |
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| (from ebay) "Byzance", with barcode and Greendot, Batch 0140 = year 2000 |
ATTENTION HERE !
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| (from Ebay) Byzance, batch "0311 O" (the last digit is the letter "O", not the number "zero") = year 2001 |
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| (from Ebay) Rochas Man, batch 0151 T = year 2001 |
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| Alchimie batch "0152 O" = year 2002 |
ATTENTION HERE !
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| Rochas Lui, launched in 2003, batch "0153 TT" = May 2003 |
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| (from Ebay) Byzance batch "02N5 O" = November 2005 |
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Since 2006 = classical Procter&Gamble
4-digits code
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(from ebay) Eau de Rochas,
address "Rue de Miromesnil" (since 2008)
batch 1328 = Year 2011
....and... Batch-codes Year-of-production, all-you-need-to-know about vintage perfumes in the following pages: -GUERLAIN perfumes ( here ) -YVES SAINT LAURENT perfumes ( here ) -CHRISTIAN DIOR perfumes ( here ) -GIORGIO ARMANI Perfumes ( here ) -VAN CLEEF et ARPELS perfumes ( here ) -CHANEL perfumes ( here ) -BVLGARI perfumes ( here ) -HERMES perfumes ( here ) -VERSACE perfumes ( here ) -JEAN PATOU perfumes (here) -CARON perfumes (here) -CALVIN KLEIN perfumes (here) -RALPH LAUREN perfumes (here) -JEAN PAUL GAULTIER perfumes (here) -SERGE LUTENS perfumes (here) -GUCCI perfumes (here) |
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ReplyDeleteLooking forward to a post on identifying Davidoff perfumes!
ReplyDeleteAnother wonderful historical research. Thanks to it I could date my monsieur atomiseur.
ReplyDeleteFirstly, I would like to thank you for a most informative and interesting blog - "forensic perfumery" is absolutely fascinating !
ReplyDeleteI'm far from a collector and on a very limited budget but have loved scent all my life and, since I finally found myself online ( for the first time !) just a few months ago, I've discovered that the fragrances that I love and often still have from my teens and twenties are actually "vintage" and my habit of scouring markets or charity shops for long-lost perfume from my youth and earlier is actually a legitimate "hobby" enjoyed by many !
It was after reading the above article a few days ago, I spotted a bottle Femme on eBay with a near identical image pictured here ⬆ (It differed from your picture in that it had no EMB CODE ) I thought" It's fate !" and seized upon it !
So...being a good student ��⭐�� I deduced : no barcode + no EMB code and Batch ending in "2" then it must be 1972 ( or earlier ?) Right ??
HOWEVER...
On receiving it ....I found a small, round clear sticker that had been used to hold the upper flap in place and had obviously been sliced in two on opening a long time ago ( though it seems unused ) Around the edge was printed, in gold : ROCHAS-PARIS-FRANCE EMB......498.B ( the other numbers are gone where it was cut) also there a two "e" estimate signs, mirror images of each other, at "12 & 6 o'clock" ( Oh, and it's 100ml Parfum de Toilette; the bottle is not the well-known curvy design - it's a rectangular shape with moulded ribbed design to the bottle and continuing onto the gold plastic lid which is finished off on top with plastic plaque engraved with the word "Femme" )
I wonder if you'd come across this before or if it was of any interest ? I've not had chance to investigate it further but the only possibility that occurs to me so far are:
1.
It was produced pre1980 & the sticker added as a stop-gap measure until new packaging could be printed when the new EMB codes cane in and as a way of getting away with selling the existing, older stock ? ( this would make it still 1972 ?) Would the 8-year old stock be saleable and still on shop selves or in warehouses ? OR....
2.
It's POST 1980 but the packaging was printed way in advanced and the sticker added as a way of using the old BOXES for NEW bottles until they got around to printing it on ?
I can imagine stores been given a few months to use up existing stock and and maybe THEY, not the manufacturer, were adding the stickers BUT not that still means a 1972 bottle was stickered and sold AFTER 1980 OR...
The Batch Code means it's 1982 ? In this scenario, it's TWO years after the EMB Codes come in but they're still using old boxes and stickers for NEWLY produced perfume and they change to the printed version you show in the intervening period between our two bottles (i.e. 1982 - 1984 ? ) Maybe this sticker method WAS used (initially) by some brands at least initially BUT..
3. if this is the case, then it questions the reliability of this "test" and blurs the line between pre-and post- 1980 scents ?
PLUS: stickers can easily come off, be removed or just degrade with the passage of time so item POST-1980 would APPEAR to have no EMB as nothing is left printed on bottle or box ?
I just wondered what you thought or if this might be familiar or even helpful in some way ?
Regardless, I paid £20 for an 100ml bottle of a wonderful fragrance that still smells BEAUTIFUL !!
Thank you for taking the time to read this and for the help your amazing research as already given me - I also have strange &/or fake Chanel no.5 I'd love your advice on but that can wait until another day - I've taken enough of your valuable time already !!
Ciao, Jill x