Previously we recognized, year-by-year all these famous brands:
-GUERLAIN perfumes ( here )
-CHRISTIAN DIOR perfumes ( here )
-GIORGIO ARMANI Perfumes ( here )
-VAN CLEEF et ARPELS perfumes ( here )
-CHANEL perfumes ( here )
-BVLGARI perfumes ( here )
-HERMES perfumes ( here )
But what about Yves Saint Laurent ?
-GUERLAIN perfumes ( here )
-CHRISTIAN DIOR perfumes ( here )
-GIORGIO ARMANI Perfumes ( here )
-VAN CLEEF et ARPELS perfumes ( here )
-CHANEL perfumes ( here )
-BVLGARI perfumes ( here )
-HERMES perfumes ( here )
But what about Yves Saint Laurent ?
Well, you
should look at the labels, the stickers, the technical symbols, and batch-code numbers.
The problem -especially for Yves Saint Laurent scents- is the confusing amount of many different labels, numbers, symbols and codes.
To recognize YSL scents, it is
necessary to know the history of the House, because boxes, labels, symbols, etc., reflect the different historical periods.
This should be pretty simple, but it isn't: actually the labels, the stickers and the boxes, were messed up during transition periods, and made things difficult to understand.
So let's go and try to solve the mystery.
So let's go and try to solve the mystery.
Anyway, here are the FIVE historical periods.
All perfumes produced by “Yves Saint Laurent” split into five historical periods:
All perfumes produced by “Yves Saint Laurent” split into five historical periods:
1 - The Beginning (or "Charles of the Ritz Era"), from 1963 to 1986.
2 – The American Years. (or "Parfums Corp. Era"), from 1986 to 1992.
3 - French Years (or "SANOFI Era"), from
1993 to 1999.
4 - The "PPR-Gucci Era", 1999-2007.
5 - L'Oreal Era, since 2008.
In 1961,
Yves Saint Laurent launched his own fashion house.
Two years
later, in 1963, U.S. cosmetic firm "Charles of the Ritz" acquired 80% of YSL and oversaw all the
operations of cosmetics, producing scents with the YSL brand name. The
first fragrance by Yves Saint Laurent-Charles of the Ritz was "Y", launched in 1964,
followed by "Rive Gauche" and "Pour Homme", in 1971.
Two years later,
in 1973, "Squibb" company acquired "Charles of the Ritz."
ILLUSTRATION:
The first picture shown is a box where you can read, with great
simplicity, "Made in France-Yves Saint Laurent Parfums", along with
the ban on the sale outside of the authorized dealers. This label remains up to the mid-eighties.
YSL perfumes during years 1964-1985 ("Charles of the Ritz" Era) |
During year 1986,
Yves Saint Laurent acquired back from Squibb the "Charles of the
Ritz" brand, paying about $ 500 million, and thus fall again into the possession
of perfumes and cosmetics division. This operation, albeit expensive, opened vast horizons and enormous markets for YSL.
These were the so-called "American Years" (or "Parfums Corp." Era ).
ILLUSTRATION The second box is labeled "Yves Saint Laurent PARFUMS CORP." and is used
from 1986 to 1992-1993. Bottles could have stickers with references to New York.
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WARNING
During 1988-1990 the EAN barcode (bars + numbers) on the box was almost universally adopted in perfumery.
In 1992 the Greendot was adopted in many European countries.
In 1992 the Greendot was adopted in many European countries.
If in a "ParfumsCorp." labelled box the barcode is missing, it means that it
was produced from 1986 to 1988-1990.
On the contrary, if you find the barcode on the box, probably the "ParfumsCorp." scent could be dated "1989 to1993"
Finally, if the Barcode AND Greendot are BOTH present, it could be dated 1992 or 1993..
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PAY ATTENTION: many times you will find "new" perfumes in "old" boxes: unfortunately YSL messed up packaging, especially during "transition" times. This means that you can easily find "ParfumsCorp." labelled bottles even after year 1993.
On the contrary, if you find the barcode on the box, probably the "ParfumsCorp." scent could be dated "1989 to1993"
Finally, if the Barcode AND Greendot are BOTH present, it could be dated 1992 or 1993..
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In 1987 a Wall Street stock market crash occurred, and major investors withdrew, leaving YSL in poor economic conditions. YSL got rid of Charles of the Ritz, but retaining the cosmetics and perfume industry. The situation was further exacerbated by the economic depression during the early Nineties.
In 1992, the YSL group was "on sale", and the buyer was found in the French corporation SANOFI, in January 1993.
Here the "French Years" (or "Sanofi Era") began.
Here the "French Years" (or "Sanofi Era") began.
So, since 1993, the box changes again, this time showing the label SANOFI, which will remain until 1999.
YSL SANOFI-Era, years 1993-1999 |
In 1999, the fashion house Gucci acquired the YSL brand, and commanded the stylist Tom Ford to give a new direction to the house.
And here the "PPR-GUCCI Era" began(1999 until 2008).
And here the "PPR-GUCCI Era" began(1999 until 2008).
In 2002, Yves Saint Laurent, in poor health, retirs from the world of fashion.
The brand YSL perfumes and cosmetics continued to exist in the hands of the Gucci group.
So, from 1999 until 2007/2008 ("PPR-Gucci Era") labels changed again, becoming simply "Yves Saint Laurent Parfums."
In most cases the address "NEUILLY" appears on box and labels (since year 2000)
In most cases the address "NEUILLY" appears on box and labels (since year 2000)
PPR-GUCCI Era. "Yves Saint Laurent PARFUMS" label. |
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WARNING
WARNING
During 2003 EU adopted the new Directive on cosmetics, which provides, among other things, a long list of ingredients to be labeled on the box. The Directive must be implemented no later than early 2005.
The packaging of all perfumes change, and since 2004/2005 report the "long list of ingredients"
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In 2008, the division of YSL perfumes and cosmetics passed into the hands of the French multinational corporation L'Oreal, and the word "Parfums" on the label disappeared. The words "Yves Saint Laurent" and the address "NEUILLY" remained.
Note the "B.R.I." acronym: it means L'Oreal laboratories
L'Oreal Era. since 200 8 until 2011 the word "PARFUMS" disappears, the acronym BRI appears |
In 2011, the brand name appears on the box as "Yves Saint Laurent - YSL Beauté.".
But here we are no longer in the vintage, but in modern times ....
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REMEMBER: sometimes old boxes were used for new perfumes: for example you can find boxes from Eighties used during Nineties.... packaging is erratic.
Let's start!
there are at least 4 numbers on bottom of the box, 4 or 5 numbers on bottom of the bottle
BOX "Charles of the Ritz" type (years 1964-1986). batch code number starting with:
1979 = 9xxx
1980 = 0xxx
1981 = 1xxx
1982 = 2xxx
1983 = 3xxx
1984 = 4xxx
1985 = 5xxx
BOX "Parfums Corp." type (1986-1993), batch code number starting with:
1986 = 6xxx
1987 = 7xxx
1988 = 8xxx
1989 = 9xxx
1990 = 0xxx (here the barcode appears)
1991 = 1xxx
1992 = 2xxx (here the greendot appears)
1993 = 3xxx
BOX "Sanofi" type (1993-1999), and the batch code starts with:
3xxx = 1993
4xxx = 1994
5xxx = 1995
6xxx = 1996
7xxx = 1997
8xxx = 1998
9xxx = 1999
BOX "PPR-Gucci" type (1999-2008), and the batch code starts with:
0xxx = 2000
1xxx = 2001
2xxx = 2002
3xxx = 2003
Shifting to "1 number+3 letters" batch code
4xxx = 2004 (both codes adopted: you can find 4123 and 4ABC)
5ABC = 2005 (here the "long list of ingredients" on the box appears)
6ABC = 2006
7ABC = 2007
8ABC = 2008
(during transition period between PPR-GUCCI and L'Oreal:in year 2008, there are some inusual batch numbers such as "EA00A", and similar ones.)
BOX "L'Oreal" type (since 2008, with B.R.I. label)
9ABC = 2009
0ABC = 2010
1ABC = 2011 (here "YSL BEAUTE" appears on box)
now shifting to long batch code
62 H XXX = 2011
62 J XXX = 2012
62 K XXX = 2013
62 L XXX = 2014
62 M XXX = 2015
62 N XXX = 2016
62 P XXX = 2017
62 R XXX = 2018
OTHER THAN LABELS, YOU HAVE TO CHECK THE BATCH-CODES.
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OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS
First, get all clues from the box and/or bottle:which period? ("Charles of the Ritz", "ParfumsCorp.", "Sanofi", "PPR-Gucci"...)
Then, check the batch number table below.
(could be useful to know the year of launch of your perfume)
BATCH-CODES TABLE
1979- 2012
(batch-codes usually were largely adopted in 1978-1979)
Let's start!
there are at least 4 numbers on bottom of the box, 4 or 5 numbers on bottom of the bottle
BOX "Charles of the Ritz" type (years 1964-1986). batch code number starting with:
1979 = 9xxx
1980 = 0xxx
1981 = 1xxx
1982 = 2xxx
1983 = 3xxx
1984 = 4xxx
1985 = 5xxx
BOX "Parfums Corp." type (1986-1993), batch code number starting with:
1986 = 6xxx
1987 = 7xxx
1988 = 8xxx
1989 = 9xxx
1990 = 0xxx (here the barcode appears)
1991 = 1xxx
1992 = 2xxx (here the greendot appears)
1993 = 3xxx
BOX "Sanofi" type (1993-1999), and the batch code starts with:
3xxx = 1993
4xxx = 1994
5xxx = 1995
6xxx = 1996
7xxx = 1997
8xxx = 1998
9xxx = 1999
BOX "PPR-Gucci" type (1999-2008), and the batch code starts with:
0xxx = 2000
1xxx = 2001
2xxx = 2002
3xxx = 2003
Shifting to "1 number+3 letters" batch code
4xxx = 2004 (both codes adopted: you can find 4123 and 4ABC)
5ABC = 2005 (here the "long list of ingredients" on the box appears)
6ABC = 2006
7ABC = 2007
8ABC = 2008
(during transition period between PPR-GUCCI and L'Oreal:in year 2008, there are some inusual batch numbers such as "EA00A", and similar ones.)
BOX "L'Oreal" type (since 2008, with B.R.I. label)
9ABC = 2009
0ABC = 2010
1ABC = 2011 (here "YSL BEAUTE" appears on box)
now shifting to long batch code
62 H XXX = 2011
62 J XXX = 2012
62 K XXX = 2013
62 L XXX = 2014
62 M XXX = 2015
62 N XXX = 2016
62 P XXX = 2017
62 R XXX = 2018
APPENDIX
Illustrations
SEE TUTORIAL PHOTOS at the end of the page
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"Di che epoca è questo profumo di
Yves Saint Laurent?"
Yves Saint Laurent?"
Il problema è che sembrano esserci tante etichette differenti.
Per capire i profumi Yves Saint Laurent è necessario conoscere la storia della Maison. Infatti, le etichette rispecchiano i differenti periodi storici vissuti da questa casa.
Andiamo quindi a vedere le più comuni etichette che si possono trovare, ricordando, come sempre, che NON E' IMPORTANTE sapere se il profumo è stato prodotto nel marzo 1989 oppure nel giugno 1990, quanto il periodo in cui è stato prodotto.
(Una avvertenza importante: è possibile che, nel passaggio tra un periodo all'altro, si siano mescolate scatole, flaconi ed etichette vecchie e nuove: in questi casi è estremamente difficile riconoscere con precisione il periodo di produzione.)
I profumi di Yves Saint Laurent si dividono in cinque periodi storici:
1- Periodo iniziale ("Charles of the Ritz Era"), dal 1963 al 1985.
2- Periodo americano ( "Parfums Corp. Era"), dal 1986 al 1992.
3- Periodo francese ("SANOFI Era"), dal 1993 al 1999.
4- Periodo Gucci, dal 1999 al 2007.
5- Periodo L'Oreal, dal 2008-presente.
Nel 1961 Yves Saint Laurent lancia la propria casa di moda.
Due anni dopo, nel 1963, la casa di cosmetici statunitense "Charles of the Ritz" acquista l'80% di YSL e sovrintende tutte le operazioni di sosmetica e profumeria, producendo prodotti con il marchio YSL. Il primo profumo di Yves Saint Laurent è "Y", lanciato nel 1964, seguito da "Rive Gauche" e "Pour Homme", nel 1971.
Dieci anni dopo, nel 1973, la multinazionale Squibb acquista la casa "Charles of the Ritz".
La prima scatola, raffigurata in basso (foto 1) è una confezione dove si può leggere, con molta semplicità, "Made in France- Parfums Yves Saint Laurent", insieme al riquadro di divieto di vendita al di fuori dei rivenditori autorizzati.
Questo label è tipico fino a metà degli anni Ottanta.
La seconda scatola, che vediamo in basso, riporta l'indicazione "Yves Saint Laurent PARFUMS CORP." ed è utilizzata dal 1986 fino al 1992-3.
Photo 2 (scatola "PARFUMS CORP." dal 1986 al 1992) senza codice a barre. anni 1986-1988 con codice a barre: 1989-1992 |
WARNING
Nel 1988/1989 viene adottato il codice a barre (barre + numeri).
Se nella scatola con label "PARFUMS CORP." manca il codice a barre, significa che è stato prodotto dal 1986 al 1988 (come ad esempio in foto 2). Se invece il codice a barre è presente, risale probabilmente al 1989-1993
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Nel 1987 avviene il crash alla borsa di Wall Street e i principali investitori si ritirano, lasciando YSL in pessime condizioni economiche. YSL si sbarazza di Charles of the Ritz, conservando però il settore cosmetica e profumi. La situazione è ulteriormente aggravata dalla depressione economica dei primi anni Novanta.
A partire dal 1993, i profumi Yves Saint Laurent cambiano ulteriormente veste; stavolta compare la scritta SANOFI, che rimarrà fino al 1999.
Nel 2002 Yves Saint Laurent, in pessime condizioni di salute, e si ritira dal mondo della moda. Il brand YSL, settore cosmetica e profumi, continua a esistere nelle mani del gruppo Gucci.
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WARNING
Nel 2003 viene adottata la nuova Direttiva EU sui cosmetici che prevede, tra le altre cose, la lista lunga degli ingredienti da riportare sulla scatola. La Direttiva deve essere implementata al più tardi all'inizio del 2005.
La confezioni di tutti i profumi cambiano aspetto, e dal 2004/2005 riportano la "lista lunga degli ingredienti"
A sinistra: confezione del 2003. A destra: confezione del 2006. |
E' presente la dicitura "YSL PARFUMS" e "NEUILLY" |
Photo 6 : L'Oreal Era. Scompare la scritta "PARFUMS" e appare l'acronimo B.R.I. |
A partire dal 2011, sulla scatola compare il marchio "Yves Saint Laurent - YSL Beautè". Ma qui non siamo più nel vintage, bensì nei tempi moderni....
APPENDICE
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Saper leggere i batch-codes recenti (dal 1992):
Di solito, sulla scatola i batch-codes sono a 4 cifre, che possono diventare 5 sul fondo del flacone.
In linea di massima:
-se sono presenti 4-5 NUMERI, il flacone è del 1995-2004, e il primo numero indica l'anno.
-se invece sono presenti 1 numero e 3 LETTERE, il flacone è del periodo 2005-2011, e il numero indica l'anno.
Dal 2011, batches del tipo: "62 H 123", la lettera indica l'anno:
H = 2011 J = 2012 K = 2013
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TUTORIAL PICTURES
Box "Charles of the Ritz" Era, batch code 9285 = year 1979 |
KOUROS, Charles of the Ritz-type box, batch 20781 = year 1982 |
(from Ebay) Parfums Corp, batch 12941 = year 1991 |
"Parfums Corp." box plus barcode batch 2337 = year 1992 |
YSL Champagne, launched in 1993, batch code = 39141 year = 1993 |
(from Ebay) YSL Champagne, launched in 1993,batch code = 41651, year = 1994 |
Messing-up box and bottles: a 1995 perfume (batch 5114) packaged in a older box |
Opium, "Sanofi" box, batch 6274 = year 1996. |
Live Jazz, launched in 1998, batch 81871, label "Sanofi" = year 1998 |
YVRESSE/Champagne, batch 8245, Sanofi box, = year 1998. |
Nu Edt, launched in 2003, batch 30411, word NEUILLY appears = year 2003 |
year 2005, YSL Parfums, NEUILLY |
7KBB = year 2007 |
8FAA = year 2008 |
label NEUILLY (since 2000) + BRI (L'Oreal) batch 8BAA = year 2008 |
label Neuilly = since year 2000 , + BRI (L'Oreal) batch 9BCA = year 2009 |
L'Oreal type box, without the word "Parfums" |
switching to new, long batchnumbers (since year 2011) batch 62Jxxx = year 2012 |
New KOUROS without metallic base: batch 62Hxxx "H" means year 2011 |
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UNUSUAL BOTTLES
KOUROS, box Parfum Corp., batch 0290 written inside the box (and not outside) = year 1990 |
"Parfums Corp." box with Greendot and Barcode, batch D60441 = maybe early year 2006. (it should be a "Sanofi" box) |
ho trovato un flacone 50 ml splash di kouros ,reca sotto la scatola la scritta sanofi beaute inc ,ma sotto la bottiglia appare parfums corp il batch code lo vedo male sul retro della bottiglia dovrebbe essere 70711 o 20711,potresti aiutarmi
RispondiEliminainizio 1997 Durante il periodo Sanofi la base metallica ha continuato a mantenere la scritta ParfumCorp.
Eliminaquindi si tratta di un kouros che sa ancora di kouros ? l'ho provato e lo trovo splendido
RispondiEliminavai tranquillo è per la maggior parte della composizione ancora lui.
EliminaHi, I like to read your blog :) I have a vintage Y splash. Code is S1043. How old it may be? On the bottom only: PARIS 100ml 90% Vol
RispondiEliminaCheckcosmetics doesn't work :(
number "1" could mean 1991 or 2001. Probably it means "year 1991".
EliminaNot 2001, because since 1999-2000 all YSL perfumes are sold in spray bottles.
Hi I am Shirley Chan.
RispondiEliminaI like this post . This is really great.
The fragrance label helps to emphasize that and sells you out uniquely.
I got some Important information on Fragrance label which really helps you.
ciao,
RispondiEliminapotresti aiutarmi a datare un kouros del periodo Parfums Corp. con code 4034.
grazie
sei bravissimo.
stefano
Ciao, è il 1994. Anche se in teoria dovrebbe essere timbrato "Sanofi", hanno continuato ad usare le vecchie scatole fino ad esaurimento. Da qualche parte nel post se ne parla.
Eliminaciao
Laura
Hi Andre, great information and fascinating! I have 3 'bottles' (aluminium I think?) of Rive Gauche that I'd like to date but I can't quite work it out.
RispondiEliminaThe 2 x EDT have 7EAA AL and 90112AL on the bottom, and the eau de parfum has 81591 AL. Could you help please?
Many thanks
Dawn
Hi Dawn, here I am :)
Eliminathe batch code in the numbers you are reporting is "7EAA".
7EAA means "2007, May".
Hope it helps,
Laura
Hi Andre, GREAT blog and info! I wonder, can you help with this:
RispondiEliminaI have 6 sealed boxes of 50ml EDT, and 1 sealed box of 30ml EDT and I'm fairly sure they are pre-2003 (when Tom Ford apparently reformulated Rive Gauche) but, even though I’ve read your information above, I’m still not quite sure how to tell. I do appreciate that you said you can’t tell for sure from the box, but what do the boxes indicate please, ref the below:-
The 50ml sealed boxes have a bar code 3 365440 246713 and the 30ml sealed box is 3 365440 249738.
The 50ml boxes list the ingredients as below, except some have "2YW01-2" as the final ingredient and others "2YW01-3" as the final ingredient:
ALCOHOL. PARFUM (FRAGRANCE). AQUA (WATER). HEXYL CINNAMAL. HYDROXYISOHEXYL 3-CYCLOHEXENE CARBOXALDEHYDE. HYDROXYCITRONELLAL. ALPHA-METHYL IONONE. COUMARIN. LIMONENE. ETHYLHEXYL METHOXYCINNAMATE. CITRONELLOL. BENZYL BENZOATE. LINALOOL. GERANIOL. BUTYL METHOXYDIBENZOYLMETHANE. CINNAMYL ALCOHOL. BENZYL SALICYLATE. BHT. EVERNIA FURFURACEA EXTRACT. EVERNIA PRUNASTRI EXTRACT. BENZYL ALCOHOL. CITRAL. FARNESOL. AMYL CINNAMAL. ISOEUGENOL. EUGENOL. 2YW01-3. (some have 2YW01-2)
The 30ml box has similar ingredients, but not the same. On the 30ml sealed box they are:
• in a different order
• the word “treemoss” is added : “EVERNIA FURFURACEA TREEMOSS EXTRACT”
• the word “Oakmoss” is added : “EVERNIA PRUNASTRI (OAKMOSS) EXTRACT”
• 3 ingredients not mentioned at all on the 50ml boxes are listed: “ISOEUGENOL, EUGENOL, BENZOPHENONE-2”
• There is no mention of either "2YW01-2" or "2YW01-3"
Do you know please?
Many thanks
Dawn
Hi Dawn, sorry for delay: briefly, the boxes with the long list of ingredients (coumarine limonene etc...) are produced after year 2004-2005, for sure. Check if the boxes report on the bottom side "YSL Parfums" (it's the Gucci Era, so in this case you can date the boxes until years 2007-2008); or "YSL Beautè", in this different case you can date the boxes after year 2008 (l'Oreal Era).
EliminaThe 30 ml boxes is older since it doesn't report the ling list of ingredients. Again check the bottom of the box: "YSL Parfums Corp" (1986-1993), or "YSL Sanofi" (1993-1999), or "YSL Parfums" (1999-2005).
Numbers on the bar code have nothing to do with "batch code".
Check accurately on the box for the batch code, often it is almost invisible, it's printed in black ink, or embossed on the cardboard.
Regards, Laura .